This is an interesting video and argument on the need for practical wisdom. It challenges the concept of rules and regulations and offers an alternative opinion to how things in society and education can be done well. Watch the video and post your reflection about whether you agree or disagree with his argument? Are rules beneficial or counter productive? Use evidence from the video and your own experiences to justify your response. Engage in dialogue with 2 other students to flush out the details of your position.
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Practical Wisdom
Practical Wisdom
This is an interesting video and argument on the need for practical wisdom. It challenges the concept of rules and regulations and offers an alternative opinion to how things in society and education can be done well. Watch the video and post your reflection about whether you agree or disagree with his argument? Are rules beneficial or counter productive? Use evidence from the video and your own experiences to justify your response. Engage in dialogue with 2 other students to flush out the details of your position.
This is an interesting video and argument on the need for practical wisdom. It challenges the concept of rules and regulations and offers an alternative opinion to how things in society and education can be done well. Watch the video and post your reflection about whether you agree or disagree with his argument? Are rules beneficial or counter productive? Use evidence from the video and your own experiences to justify your response. Engage in dialogue with 2 other students to flush out the details of your position.
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I think rules are both beneficial and harmful. The reason is if we didn't have rules, the world would be in chaos. For example, Afghanistan is ruled by AL-Qaeda and since they have no rule they have a bombing almost everyday. if we didn't have laws on the road, there would be traffic, accidents and many other things.
ReplyDeleteRules also have a bad side. the reason is they limit creativity and try to make every almost the same. These rules make generations repeat themselves. there is always going to be someone who will hate school, always someone who will be popular and so on
Suhaib so your saying if there were rules in Afghanistan there won't be no bombing?
Deleteit would be minimized
DeleteSo do you agree or disagree? I think that rules are good politically but I don't believe rules should get in the way of your career, your passion.
Deletetheir was a book where it explained that children that sucide bomb, they think its good and think they'll go to heaven
Deleteimagine a world without rules deandre
DeleteSuhaib if the bombers dared to bomb once don't you think they would do it again even with though there are rules?
Deleteagain kids are the bombers and they think its good. the al qaueda are not going to risk their own lives
DeleteBut not all the kids are bombers there are also adults who want to hurt the country.
Deletebut if the kids stop being bombers the al qaueda lost arms. the damage is minimized isn't it 0_o
DeleteSuhaib rules are needed ! the world needs rules but the world also needs common sense and some rules are needed others affect the practical wisdom of one .
DeleteSuhaib you still didn't answer my question, do you agree or disagree with his argument? I think that yes we need rules in our world but we shouldn't have so many rules that your job is scripted and your passion isn't flexible for you to be creative and satisfy you anymore.
DeleteI'm in the middle. rules are good and bad. some people need rules to be creative. you may ask why and how. the reason is some people be creative against the rule. for example no grafiti. the influences some people want to do grafiti.
Deletethere are more children than adults who are sent with bombs to hurt a place. Rules actually do make a big difference Gurvir. Rules are Rules and they are made to control people. They work too! When the taliban ruled Afghanistan, they made all women cover themselves, wear headscarfs at all times, and are prohibited to leave the house without a man. Everyone did it because if they didn't their lives would be in danger, it was a rule. Now that the Americans are there to protect the country, there are new rules in Afghanistan. Ever since the American Army arrived, the taliban and others are afraid to do anything silly because they can be killed. So yes. Rules have controlled and diminished the bombings in Afghanistan.
Deletewhat i believe is that creativity is created with and without rules. if your born with crativity you'll keep it. if they don't have creativity
DeleteI don't think people do Graffiti because they want to break a rule I think they do it for the art. I disagree when you say some people need rules to be creative because it's not true. Most Graffiti is done for the art, if you go downtown there are some very Beautiful and Creative pieces of Graffiti.
Deletegrafiti is done to show reblion against rules. if you did something bad it makes you feel bad and feel awesome. it makes you fell good and bad
DeleteThis isn't true, Not all Graffiti is done to show rebellion. Most is for art. Think about it, Graffiti is an art itself and there is so much Graffiti around the world and and how does the person feel awesome when it's been done thousands of times before. If you've been downtown, in allies you see Beautiful pieces of Graffiti.
DeleteTamana rules do make a differnce but there are bombing in so many countries even with rules how come the bombing didn't stop even with the rules?
DeleteI agree with you people don't do stuff to break rules thy do it for a reason. See every thing someone dos, if you don't look good look twice, thy do it for a reason. so if someone breaks a rule its for a reason.
DeleteBombings have certainly diminished from where they were before. This is because new rules were placed.
DeleteTamana by your info it sounds like the Taliban ruined the women's life. Because of there rules women in that country can't show there faces or leave the house freely which they should be allowed to do, those rules limit the women to what they are capable of. Rules make a difference but not always a positive one and this is why there shouldn't be rules in work and jobs. There shouldn't be anything restraining you from being flexible with your passion.
Delete@ gurvir the rules arent enforced. the un always say that they'll do things but they don't what is happening to russian and ukraine? for rules to work they must be enforced. like my mom once said if you have to much it will corrupt you, and if you to less the same will happen.
Delete@ deandre grafiti is still illegal. thats how they express creativity with breaking the rules
Some types of Graffiti is illegal but believe it or not some store owners ask people to do Graffiti on there stores because it draws people in with art on there store. Creativity is expressed by breaking rules which shouldn't be there in the first place, our creativity is so limited especially in school. We usually have a criteria to follow to complete work and they say be creative? It makes no sense.
Deleteso you agree if you break rules, it makes you feel more creative and makes you feel alive and feel good
DeleteIf your speaking as a Rebel feel good and feel alive then no but your obviously going to feel good because you've done something that people will appreciate and mark as Beauty and Art.
DeleteSuhaib I agree with you maybe that's why bombing is still high in areas around the world.
Deletewhat if people dont like art. grafiti is created because its will to break rules and art
DeleteDeandre, I disagree with you. Yes the Taliban ruined their lives but they created those rules because they wanted something. They wanted the country. Flexible with passion? How is that being flexible with passion? it's part of the Afghan culture for decades for women to stay home and work only indoors. Even as children, the people of Afghanistan grew up with it!
DeleteFlexible with passion meaning in a career, it is now a part of there culture but if the Taliban didn't want the country don't you think the women would be happier? I mean if the Taliban didn't want the land i'm pretty sure the women would be walking around freely without being scared of death. I think that those rules ruined a part of the women's life. Rules should only be for safety, they shouldn't limit your life overall. Still don't agree?
Deletebut I do NOT understand how this topic is relating to if rules are beneficial or not ?
Deletethe way its connected is rules against bombings women and so on benefical or nnot. the way we are talking about is these rules benefical or not
Deletebut suhaib he is talking about if rules are good or bad he is talking about when it is the right time to break them or more so bend them. we all learn differently and the rules only stick to one script to teach and cant be helpful if they aren't your way of learning.
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DeleteI agree that rules limit your adventure cant explore or expand your imagination. Rules re okay at times but sometimes the rules can go to far, before you know it there's a rule saying you cant be on the street at a at midnigte
ReplyDeleteDante don't you think the goverment rules for a reason, like for our saftey? If there wern't any laws or rules anyone can do anything they want. For example they can murder, rob or hurt anyone and they won't be punished for it.
DeleteI think rules only limit your adventure and exploration in things that you can be flexible in, we have to remember that rules keeps our society going. Laws as an example, if there were no laws our city would be chaos. We need rules but we shouldn't overdose so much that our dream jobs become scripted and our passions become so planned that you can't give your opinion or your own practical wisdom. Do you think if we remove rules in school and careers it would be better?
DeleteMany rules are needed but most are just common sense !
DeleteBut still there are many needed ! You cant just be able to murder a person and get away with it like you just kicked a ball in someone's face .
Rules help at times but sometimes it fails us. Dante don't you think people should have more practical sense?
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ReplyDeleteI agree with him 100% because he is right. I've heard it also many times because I am in Mr Cheney's class, but it is true, rules and regulations limit your practical wisdom, your own flexibility towards skills you've been trained to do. I'll use the example of the man who robbed a taxi with a toy gun. The judge in the Trial used his own practical wisdom and his own opinion and make sense and make the situation fair for both the Suspect and Victim but the Victim didn't find it fair so he came back right after the Suspect did his time with a appeal for Armed robbery which is 5 years in prison. I assume the judge didn't find it that fair and didn't like that at all but it was law so he had to deal with it. After that case the judge quit, why? Because I assume that he thought that his job was no longer of filling him morally because he found that the things he has been trained to do, his judging ability was being controlled now over rules and regulations so therefore he lost his passion, he lost feeling for his job so he quit. Rules and Regulations limit your creativity and your Practical wisdom. I realize this even in our class because we don't do math work sheets and we don't get busy work from our teacher. Our teacher has the passion for what he does and he doesn't exactly follow the rules and regulations because that would limit the classes ability and creativity. If we followed the rules and regulations I assume we would be like every other class doing math worksheets and using spellers but we don't follow rules and regulations because our class is so much better than that. So to answer the question I agree with Swartz 100%.
ReplyDeleteYou said that Mr. Cheney doesn't exactly follow the rules and regulations, but where does he break any of the rules of our school?
DeleteKushi i think that Deandre meant the same rules like other teachers , he allows us to make derisions for ourself , like teachers make a rule list saying not to talk when others are talking , keep hands to yourself, bring homework done etc do you think most rules is just common sense ? and instead of making rules we should teach common sense ?
DeleteYeah that's what I meant thank you Rochelle
Deleteyour welcome .
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Delete@ rochelle don't you think common sense is formed by rules? because obivous common sense is not to go to albion mall because its against the rules. that's what most people's common sense think
Deletecommon sense is going to albion mall because i dont have lunch, my parents said it was okay and im hungry
DeleteI agree with him, he has a really good point. But also I believe that sometimes rules are important to, but in some cases its okay to bend the rules. The reason why rules are important is because rules are guidelines to what is acceptable and what's not. There would be no civilization without rules. In societies there has to be a guideline-something that regulates the conduct of people toward each other. Just think of it in smaller terms, in a family environment. Your parents establish rule by which children have to follow. For example, when parents tell their children they can't scream and yell at each other they are telling their children a (very important) rule. It regulates the behaviour of the children and so this is one factor why rules are important. The conduct between people in a society is better because of rules. Since the children from the above example learn not to scream and yell at each other they get along better with each other and not fight with each other. On a larger scale it create the environment for a society in which screaming and yelling at each other is something that is not desirable. But also on the other hand rules don't let a person to get creative. It's like keeping a person in a cage in which they have no saying all they do is follow. Is like they aren't humans but robots who follow exactly what they have to do, not more or less. An example I would use to support my thought is the one in which the man started to sell Marijuana and got busted for it. I understand taking or selling Marijuana is against the law but this man wasn't doing it for his own comfort and enjoyment he was doing it because he didn't have enough money to put food on the table for his wife and for his two children and third coming. He was going to become a solider, but since he got back problem he had to quit his job and he couldn't walk anymore. So he couldn't get a job anywhere and he had to eat Marijuana to easy some symptoms then he decided to sell it so he would get enough money to put food on the table so he did but he got caught. So he went to court, but any regular court but a veterans court which was for only people who broke the rules, so the judges could go deep inside the person's story and understand why they did this and they follow up on them to see if they improved. I think this a great idea because then people will start to use their practical wisdom and probably they will start a fresh life without crime. This is my thoughts on this topic and this is an important topic and I think everyone should take this seriously because you never know if you will be under such circumstances in which you have to bend the rules and you could get caught anytime.
ReplyDeleteDo you think majority of rules are common sense ? and instead of making rules we should teach common sense ?
DeleteRochelle i do agree with you that rules are common sense but sometimes people need reminders. Also what we think is common sense, other people think its okay to do. Every thinks differntly some people dont like to stud or do homework and they think its okay, but its commn sense if we dont study we will fail. So that's where rules play in, they remind people to do what's right.
DeleteI agree you must learn the rules before you break them . But instead of making rules we should teach common sense and what it is , because if you dont want to study at the end of the day it affects one person no the teachers but you ! If we have common sense we should know we need to study at the end of the day its gonna affect our learning , our grades , our lifes.
DeleteGurvir.. Don't you think that creativity begins with rules? if you didnt know what was expected, how would you be able to be creative and go "outside the box" ? There needs to be rules so that you know whats expected and decide to go beyond. Rules don't crush creativity. I bet that if we were to get an assingment or prompt that have no rules or limits, majourity will give a lame, quick and standard; level 1 or 2 journal..
DeleteTamana, it's true that you can't tell if you went "outside the box" without having to know what rules are but creativity is something that was always there, the only thing that you don't know is that it is outside the box.
DeleteTamana rules stop a person from being creative. How can you be creative if you have so many rules to follow. Creativity means doing anything you think is unique but with rules itts hard to do something with rules. Also has Mr.Cheney was saying if there are so many rules you become dependent on them. If there are no rules you wouldn't do your work. So its important to decrease rules to make a person more creative and independent.
DeleteCreativity depends on the individual. Everyone stands in a differnet level and position of creative thinking. Creativity is there, but it depends on whether the person decides to use it or not.
DeleteThat was for Khushi ^^^
DeleteGurvir: I am completly out with you on this one. I don't agree at all. YOU NEED Rules to be creative. Rules are the guidlines. If you want, you can include the expectations and your creativity!
So how do rules affect a person if they decide to not use their creativity without bothering if its a rule or not? They just don't use it. That doesn't mean that rules stopped them, does it?
DeleteDon't you think if there are always rules people will become dependent on rules?
DeleteIf you really need rules to be creative, and your creativity breaks the rules, are you encouraging students to disobey them?
Deleteif the teacher told us to draw our own imaginary world we would be bursting with ideas but then said stuff like.........
Delete- it has to be realistic (no wacky things etc.)
first we would draw flying unicorns etc. with pizza walls and milk shake rivers and have dragons flying in the air with gummy bears, and have buildings with roller coasters instead of stairs and elevators.
after the teacher adding some rules all we would have is a normal city with maybe something like justin bieber concert and him performing in his car.
im trying to say that teachers adding rules can decrease our creativity
DeleteNo Gurvir, people will only be dependent on rules if they were small minded. Small mind people follow rules and regulations because they cant function or get anthing right without them! People with great minds, go beyond the rules and expectations. They can show their creativity in different ways and art forms.
Deleteits like what linda was saying in her speech
DeletePeople with great minds do show creativity and go beyond the rule but at the end they still have to follow the rules.
DeleteHow are the people who cross their limits called great minded? I agree that great minds go beyond expectations but they shouldn't go beyond rules.
Deletecrossing their limits doesn't mean going beyond rules. Great minded people can cross their limits in creativity, but how is it called going beyond rules? No rules say that don't show your best creativity.
Deletethat's a great thing to say gurvir but lets say a student is not the brightest or is in a behaviour class it wouldn't be very easy for him/her to generate ideas with the rules that the board places on us.
DeleteSrushti, when I meant crossing their limits, I meant breaking the rules as Tamana said, "People with great minds, go beyond the rules and expectations."
DeleteRules are good but common sense is really good too
DeleteLol Rochelle, you really stand strong with your common sense idea. It's true though. Most rules placed in schools are just common sense! Rules such as keeping your hands to yourself, or no running in the halls of the school.. i mean, thats just a given; common sense. you shouldn't be doing those things anyway.Rules are guidelines and they are used to control people. They place rules like these for lower grades because if the rule is broken, there must be some sort of consequence given. This consequence is supposed to teach kids a lesson, differentiating good from bad.
DeleteIn my opinion, I don’t think that rules can be only said as just beneficial or just harmful because there are situations in which rules help you come up with the right resolution to the problem but there are also circumstances where even after being the right thing to do, it isn’t doing the right thing. It can be confusing how the right thing, also at the same time, suddenly becomes wrong. Rules are always the same and they don’t change for every person but every person is different. Their stories are different and how they got upon breaking the rules is a different way. Rules won’t change depending on the person’s story. If a person is truly innocent, rules don’t accept it as accidents. Referring back to the example that was given, Michael didn’t drink a lot on purpose and rob thee taxi driver for fun; he was under pressure after losing his job and had the tension of supporting his family. If the rules were used, Michael would be sentenced to 2 years in prison but since the judge used practical wisdom, she was kind enough to understand the situation and allowed the punishment to be reduced. On the other hand, if a young person with no responsibilities was drunk and robbed a taxi driver, the law would punish him in the same way as it would’ve punished Michael, but practical wisdom can find the correct solution. I don’t mean that rules are always wrong, without them, humankind would be no different than wild animals. There would be no discipline, everything would be chaos and no one would know what the true thing to do is. Rules need to exist in our society, laws, keep our society from having serious problems every day. For example the law of not using devices while driving for texting or talking, if that rule was not a law, for sure the number of accidents caused by that would surely increase. Practical wisdom can’t outweigh rules and regulations in our society, they can be used for wiser decisions at times, but not always. So, overall, I find Barry Schwartz’s point worthy and true, but I don’t agree with him 100%.
ReplyDeleteIf the rules continue to have changes, how will that affect human life/ people?
Deletebut when people still know the rules why would they want to keep breaking them ?
DeleteEvery time there is a new rule, people who never disobeyed them could start to do so and not only would they break that one new rule, they would become comfortable and maybe make an attempt to cross the limits over other rules as well. That could change the whole personality of that person and change it's image in society.
DeleteThat's the reason people get fines for "breaking" rules, and that one person probably knows that the rule is to protect them, and start following it.
DeleteSo would you rather live in a world with rules for everything or none what so ever, and explain why
DeleteA world with rules, because a world without rules would be a messed up life. Where we wouldn't know what to do, and a world without rules means no criminal gets punished for his/her doings.
DeleteSrushti, I agree that that's when they know the rule is to protect them, but there are still criminals in our world - we aren't in the happy world where everyone lives comfortably - and those are the ones that change. I am not proving my point off a fact; it is just an "if" situation. It's something that could happen the way I interprete it or the you do.
DeleteI never said that we are living in the happy world, keeping in mind there are criminals, but as far as I know the government is there is punish the criminals.
DeleteThis is an interesting video and argument on the need for practical wisdom. It challenges the concept of rules and regulations and offers an alternative opinion to how things in society and education can be done well. Watch the video and post your reflection about whether you agree or disagree with his argument? Are rules beneficial or counter productive? Use evidence from the video and your own experiences to justify your response. Engage in dialogue with 2 other students to flush out the details of your position.
ReplyDeleterule rules rules there everywhere there what keep us in order and in control otherwise we would be out of conrtol but in the edicational system there need in logical terms but not creative termsI agree with him rules are the border of the education system but what can we say they are necessary, I think rules are created for those who don't have common sense other wise they would know exactly the right thing to do, and rules would be irrelevant. i belive rules are counter productive, there going to keep you in a narrow ally and wont let you stretch your hands. they tell you what to do, they tell you to do what is expected rather than what you think is right.
The rules governing the educational system limit are creativity they say you will only be kept in this range of intelligence which is known as grades but when kids are performing at levels higher than the ones older than them. every tipical teacher teaches using a script and they will folow it, without and care of our welfare, the script is a rule book for teaching only taught using those rules. for example a judge they only judge using the laws of the cities and the sentence, of the crime insted of using there own judgement. they have become very reliable on the rules to control them and not letting the childrens mind expand. but rules were created to keep the kids mind in conrtol other wise they wont learn the desired skills.
rules if there disobeyed there is punishment but should the students not know that there work that need to be handed in, it is comonsence it is like you follow them you get a treat you dont you get punished just like an animal.
you said that rules limit our creativity but without them, we go out of control, so do you think our education system should or should not have rules and regulaitons?
Deletethey do because the student could do what ever they want and they cant fulfil the desired task
Deleteyou have a point, i agree with you but an the other hand the students should know better and be smart like grade 6,7,8 and up. The grade 1,2,3,4,5 and kinder-garden are different because thy are just starting to understand the the different s to good and bad.
Deleteyes dante
DeleteI agree of what Barry is saying because rules sometimes have to be bend, Also making people do stuff so they can just get rewarded is that really right? No that is really not fair like for example what he was saying about the teacher that she had to mark all the exams with great marks so then they can get that reward for that school thing. Plus bending the rules are sometimes really useful by that for example that he was talking about that judge and she bent the rules and made that consequences different by the guy robbed a cab and got $50 and he was using a toy gun, She looked that his report and he was a really good responsible person and so then she bent the rules and him to go stay in jail at night and in the mornings he was able to go outside and work so then he got a job and started to work. Barry was correct the wise person knows when to bend the rules and wise person knows when to improvise and mostly a wise person does bend the rules and improvise at the right time and for the right reason.
ReplyDelete"A wise person knows when to bend the rules, and when to improvise them", but doesn't a "wise" person becomes wise after knowing the rules?
DeleteYes that is true a wise person has to know the rules before improvising and before bending the rules.
Deletebut that "wise" person might be in a situation where he will need to bend the rules or when he actually wants to bend the rules.
DeleteBut if that "wise" person bends the rules because he wants to, than he is not called "wise", that's called selfish or something.
Deleteactually that "wise" person just cant bend the rules when he/she just feels right, that person needs to think about that situation that they are in first before bending the rules.
Deleteyes because a wise person is only wise when they are knowledgeable and when they know the rules
DeleteThat's true
DeleteHassan do you think its always good to bend rules or only when you really think its necessary?
ReplyDeleteI would say that you need to bend the rules sometimes because the reason is that, Just like what Barry is saying that court when she bended the rules about when the guy who stole $50 from a cab but he did nothing bad and he was a great father, a great husband and so she did what was right and she bended the rules.
DeleteGurvir sometimes it is good to bend the rules you have to explore but you do the right thing, you have to bend the right rules don't kill someone if you angry. as I said before some rules make no sens to be rules, is that a lie?
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ReplyDeleteI would say that rules can be either beneficial or harmful, depending on the situation. This is because rules help us live our lives, without rules every student would be skipping class. On the other side, rules can be harmful because, they can stop a person from achieving their dreams for example. It makes sense that a person knows what's right and wrong. But they know this because there are rules which say what is to be done. I agree with Barry, and he is absolutely right in his perspective. But certainly everyone has different perspectives. He is right that there are bunch of rules, but on the same time, "most of them are helpful". He is right that when something goes wrong, it's said that "let's make new rules". But new rules are made to correct the old one, or to protect us, public. As an example, if there were no rules, cars on the road will probably be just going on different sides, crossing red lights, speed over the maximum speed and etc. He said the wise person knows when to bend the rules, and when to improvise. But a wise person "today" becomes wise, by following rules. Such as the person we call wise, would never would have been wise if he/she didn't know what was wise. And to know what was wise, they had to know the rules, rules that say what is acceptable, and what is not. The example of Michel, is truly right, and makes sense. Plus I personally think that Michel shouldn't have been jailed. But on the same time, how would you feel if a drunk person broke into your house to steal $50? But a wise person knows how much to drink and not, and should have not been going everywhere in that sort of state. So basically, Michel shouldn't have been jaild for that long, and only for $50, instead he could have been fined or something. People who drunk drive, don't even get jailed for 5 years. Than how can they jail him for stealing $50, with a chance of him returning that money ones he gets better/ not drunk any more. In this situation, rules were harmful, ruining a family, but there are also rules that give other families a chance to live. At last my opinion is that I agree with Barry Schwartz and believe he is right in a way, with his supporting examples. But I believe rules can be both harmful, and beneficial.
ReplyDeleteIn your opinion, everyone has different perspectives and I agree with you on that but after that, do you think that there are people who would still want Micheal to go to jail for a full 2 years?
DeleteKhushi, the video says that Micheal was jailed for 11 months, and after that an other "5 years". So definitely he was already in jail for over 2 full years.
DeleteYou talk about the cars and how they need the red yellow green light and other. But I am pretty sure there is a highway in Germany that is functioning just fine, and they have no speed limits, and it is a highway and it has no lights.
DeleteNot just in Germany, but even in Canada, high ways don't have those lights, but there is still other types of rules, such as speed limit. Now that highway in Germany doesn't have speed limit, than those drivers for sure know how to drive!
DeleteI agree but how do you think they try to be aware from accidents even though they might not have a speed limit or any rule?
DeleteActually, there are probably rules on that highway, if there wasn't any rules on that highway 50% of the drivers would have got into an accident.
Deleteyes that is very true they must have some rules to driving on a highway
DeleteThe point of this story is that most rule limit your adventures or get you in trouble, because you are whoring if you do something if the you get in trouble and not realised that you did what your trying to avoid.See the man is saying that most rules that the man kind of made make no sense, in school the teachers make these rules like don't take when doing work, remember you is a child cant take how are thy going to expand there vocabulary and learn new things.So must rules are not necessary.
ReplyDeleteAnd I quote you said "rules are not necessary" So do you think we survive without rules in school or in the world?
DeleteNo I said most rules are not necessary.
DeleteIn my personal opinion i say that rules are both beneficial and harmful, i state my opinion as this because without rules no one would do the right thing and maybe even nothing because without rules we won't know what to do and not to do.
ReplyDeleterules are important but what if someone broke the rules by mistake, or if they did it for a worthy reason?
example: Micheal was a great man and just because he got drunk and did a robbery he was sent in jail. this doesn't mean that he did it for a bad reason only because he was not in control of his body and he also that he did it for his family because they were bankrupt and had NO money (he only stole $50). But on the other hand lets say another man was doing a robbery and it wasn't for the same reason as what Micheal did it for, still the man would be fined and sent to jail.
these are two different stories, for two different reasons, but one same crime.
this is fair but also not fair, if you know what I mean.
so now i can guess that you probably know that this isn't a easy question.
But i say that bending the law is okay in cases such as this.
Personally I do think that rules are beneficial, to a limit. I mean to youngins, you have to wait for their "practical wisdom" to kind of "hit in". If they did not have rules, I am so sure you would see a bunch of unsupervised kids running around. If I had the freedom of no rules, I myself would so take advantage.The speaker did make many valid points. I mean when he mentioned Micheal, the judge gave him quite a reasonable punishment. Like the video mentioned, Micheal did have a clean slate, good family, the judge actually was very fair in trial. But if she did follow the rules (if the prosecution did not happen) Poor Michael would be in jail for not necessarily no reason, but was "over punished". Compare the rules and the practical wisdom It makes sense to use practical wisdom.
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Yeah, I still think there should be a limit to rules. Like in my other response, you still gotta wait for little kids practical wisdom to hit in. But when it does, majority of kids/teenager (depends when their practical wisdom hits in) will be factual. Rules kind of cause more of a limitation. Bend the rules, you know. Being practical is actually a really convenient "skill" to have. This video can tie into the other one about imagination one and how rules restrict imagination. Rules can be used in many many plots. But they are just another big red sigh that says stop. You just need that practicality. Aka common sense.
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ReplyDeleteI think that rules are both beneficial and can be restricting at the same time because a world without rules will be chaos people will go insane for example schools, a school without rules will be a disaster people running yelling fighting savages everywhere but at the same time rules can be restricting too, not just learning but general daily life its like if you put a leash on a dog too tight it will rebel or fight back but if you loosen it it will calm down or it might go savage both have its pros and cons but i do agree what he was saying rules can be restricting and can limit our creativity and ability to think outside the box but rules are also necessary, to keep things in order ,as long as we can take in what were doing and loosen the leash then we can open up a whole worlds of new creative opportunities.
ReplyDeletedo you agree with Teds thinking? of course rules are beneficial but is it right to bend them sometimes? He isn't talking about no rules i think you should re watch the video for a better understanding.
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DeleteYea, Zion does have a point there. Your answer doesn't show the true more and/or understanding of the video. You should probably re watch it
DeleteYes i do see where you could misunderstand it what im trying to say is yes you can bend the rules when you feel the need to bend the rules for the right reasons not for yourself but for the sake of others
DeleteWhat are the right reasons in your eyes. Explain and justify with examples from the video
DeleteAnd why is that? its not a misunderstanding your never once stated this in your post. what you implied was that rules are beneficial and restricting which doesn't correlate with bending rules and why or why not should we?
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DeleteI personally think that rules can be beneficial or harmful. Its always depends on the situation and circumstance. Rules help make discipline rather its school or at home. Without rules most children wouldn't take anything seriously or even adults,It would certainly just cause chaos. As an example if there were no rules robbery would certainly increase because no one would care there wouldn't be a rule to stop, or when kids would start driving at the age of 10-13 just because their is no rule to it, car accidents would start to increase because no one would stop at a red light and it would get harmful. Many kids would be wondering off unsupervised. Yes Barry has a valid point to his argument, when it came to Michele he was drunk and stole $50 but all of this was because he was in pressure from losing his job and not being able to support his family. Going to jail just for $50 isn't that fair. In this type of situation i believe that the rules were harmful. As he has mentioned a wise person knows when to follow the rules and when to bend them, but I certainly believe that you could only be knowledgeable when you follow rules. You can't just be wise automatically you would need to understand the rules before doing anything. Rules would always take you to what is expected from you but always following them step by step might not be helpful to something you want to accomplish.I believe that Barry is right from his point of view and perspective and I still believe that rules can be beneficial and harmful
ReplyDeleteSo you think rules are beneficial? You think it's not okay to bend rules even though it can be good at times?
DeleteNo particularly i think it is OK to bend rules at certain times depending on the situation and circumstance. Yes and I do think rules are beneficial because they actually do help us live a disciplined life and they don't cause as much chaos everything is handled professionally.
DeleteNot really. Like Mr. Cheney said before, having rules wont mean everything is perfect. Instead it can be dangerous at the same time. Anyone can go somewhere with a gun as if its nothing. That's because no one would think someone would come with one because of the rules.
Deleteyes but I didn't say everything always goes professionally I meant that freedom can sometimes be chaos, and about the gun some people don't follow rules which is a big issue. As Barry said a wise person know when to bend the rules but the person isn't wise if he does something negative with a gun
DeleteHow does that have anything to do with how rules can be beneficial? I think we all know that there are people who don't care about rules and all. But that doesn't mean it's their fault. If the rules aren't something reasonable, people won't care.
DeleteI disagree with some of Barry's opinion. Barry's main argument is about the disadvantages of rules mentioning that rules don't really create any type of creativity, that they don't create a person, and that it ruins your self ego. I understand that rules do ruin your creativity, which is the only part I agree. What I disagree with is the rules not creating a person. Rules don't create our creativity, but it builds our personality. Imagine a world without rules, we would live in a violent community. We say that Rules aren't really helpful, it limits a humans descions and wisdom. I say else why. If we believe that rules limits our own descisions, then why do most of us have religons? Religion is basically a certain type of beliefs that you choose to follow with comes with a set of rules. Religion is another way to stay out of trouble in life. Rules are there for a reason to make us stay out of trouble. In short, I disagree on the saying that "Rules limtis a humans wisdom." I disagree because Rules actually make us to be kind to one another, that "sharing is caring" and so on. Imagine not having Rules, majority of us would be rude, disrespect have no matters and what so ever. I believe that rules are benieficial.
ReplyDeleteI know we need rules, but it should be okay if you bend the rules
DeleteWhy do you think its okay to bend rules? Isn't why bending rules gets us into trouble?
DeleteSee some people bend the rules because the thy don't have anyone. For example thy friend take what thy have and. The little children or any kid is because the have no parents or their parents don't show interest in them, so thy misbehave. and carry on
Delete^^ This is an example of punishment and reward.
DeleteYou won't bend rules in fear of punishment.
Rules do technically shape a person's behaviour. What you said- "sharing is caring", this is basically telling you what to do and how to act, is it not?
Rules like keeping your hands and feet to yourself should be common sense, and if people don't know that, that's pretty sad.
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DeleteI agree for the most part its true sometimes you have to bend the rules for the right reasons not for yourself but for the sake of others. practical wisdom is good skill you need to have and a skill you need to know when to use. to bend the rules and make your own decisions, he had very good examples of practical wisdom and had proof to back it up. for example that court that only sentences veterans is a good idea and has its results but is that fair to others being persecuted with the same case and suffering serious jail time? Where's the justice in that? That may be the only problem with practical wisdom. it may be right but it isn't fair to others that's why there's sets of rules to promote fairness in the legal system. Because you can't just make an exception for one person and not the others, so that's why in rules there are no exceptions and that's why after 11 months of jail time mike still went back for another 5 for using a toy gun in a robbery just to show fairness in the legal system. it might not seem fair to you but its fair in the eye's of the law. That's just how the world is and it isn't going to change.......
ReplyDeleteDon't you think that bending rules 'cause more trouble?
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ReplyDeleteA law, rule, or other order prescribed by authority, especially to regulate conduct. Rules basically are things, that people set to make you make things go how they think everything suppose to go, offend goes like "you can't, or you must, or you shall". I believe that rules can be very useful at times, but also can be just a waste sometimes. I mean, we need rules to keep our families and friends save,like if wasn't the rule/law saying that "no murdering" we could've been murder in anytime. But at the same time rules can be as stupid as you think! Sometimes humans need to use their own brain and think,it's more like uhh using your common sense! Basically humans should do what they know is right, not for themselves but for others, ours families, friends and environment. Our society has kind of like gone mad with authority, there's just systems that controls us. Persons no longer use their own thinking. Sometimes rules offends fail us! In my opinion I feel that the most important for people to have practical wisdom, in other words have common sense!
Are you saying rules don't come in handy for situations like murder?
DeleteNope, I said that i think when it situations like murder laws and rules are very useful.
DeleteWell, I partially agree with the guy in the video's opinion because rules can be beneficial for someone while counter productive for another person. I think the way rules can affect someone differentiates between people and I can say that because of what I've experienced and noticed in my life. In general rules are set to make life simple so naturally, "bending the rules" fall into two categories. "For our gain," or "for a greater good." I agree with the concept of "Practical Wisdom" and knowing when and why to bend the rules but, at the same time, I don't completely agree with him because I don't think that concept stands for everyone. I say that because people are selfish and bend the rules for their own benefit and not for a greater cause.
ReplyDeleteso what do you suggest we do if we can't trust everyone to make the right choice?
DeleteWould you rather stick with the rules, or allow this freedom to everyone?
Maybe, is this why there are rules in the first place?
I agree with Barry. Rules keep us under control. But always being under control can be very boring, and it stops us from doing things. For example, lets talk about school. Most of the time when we get projects, we would get rubrics which limits things for us. This connects to our debate about how school crushes our creativity. School crushes our creativity because of the rules we have. Then when students bend the rules, people say that they don't listen or don't do the right thing. But it's not our fault rules are stopping many things. Kids aren't the only ones who have problems with rules. There are teachers who think punishment and reward is a good way for students to do their work. It does work, but that doesn't mean they are always going to do their work. It's like when you tell a dog to do what you say. It works when you tell the animal.
ReplyDeleteRules can be beneficial but not all the time. Bending the rules isn't always a bad thing. I believe that sometimes when you bend the rules, you are also doing the right thing.
Why do you strongly believe that bending the rule is a good thing? You give examples about schools, what about the big world out there? Are rules good for your society?
DeleteYou may think that you are doing the right thing when you bend the rules, but what if everyone else thinks differently? Is there a point to bending rules if a superior reverts your decision.
DeleteI f being under control is boring, than how is being out of control exciting?
Delete@srushti well with no rules you can do what ever you want,you get a sense of a adrenalin '-'
Delete@arvind yes you get a adrenalin but we get out of control and abuse the fact there aint no rules
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ReplyDeleteBasically, I think the argument for this, is that rules are needed, yet cannot replace ethical and moral values. I can definitely agree with Barry. Strict rules will work for society excluding the people involved, but it demoralizes the meaning behind the task/job, as well as the person.
ReplyDeleteOnce people hit rock bottom, they have nowhere else to turn to. If only someone, like that judge mentioned in his example, was kind enough to offer a sentence that would also give the offender a chance to pull up in their lives. This helps society way more than locking some guy up for years just to have him revert back to his pitiful state after released.
If only more people with moral values was willing to bend the rules in order to help the offender get back on track with their lives. Then, maybe, the rules could change from "Regulations" to 'Guidelines". The judge should be able to judge punishments based on their good will, instead of just slapping some handcuffs on them and drumming on the table with his/her gavel. Then, there's no need for a judge to dish out punishment.
Some people may not have the best moral values, so they'd have to carefully hand-pick judges who have proved themselves worthy.
For teachers, they should have the free choice of which method or style of teaching they feel that will help the students. The teachers soon don't care anymore about how the children are educated and follow the rules in order to be rewarded with raises and et cetera.
Altogether, I do agree with this video.
I agree with Barry, people have to bend the rules for reasons ,like the man that who was selling marijuana,he wanted to become a solider until his fatal accident where he injured his back ,since he injured his back he couldn't be able to join the army . .Now to most people he's breaking the law but he was doing it for a good reason ,the man had no job so he decided to sell marijuana to support his wife and kids.But he got arrested ,the judge went easy on him because the judge heard his story and the reason why he was selling marijuana. Now rules aren't bad because with no rules or laws the streets will be filled with mayhem and chaos.People would be speeding on the high way and stores would get robbed.Suppose some one was driving and went 94 on a 90 road ,a cop would stop them and give them a ticket , that's not fair 4 kilometres faster then the speed limit i really don't know how going 4 kilometres higher is going to affect anyone.Its not always good to bend the rules but sometimes it is.Like Michael he drank to much and robbed a cab driver and was in trial.Now the judge had practical wisdom and only made the man go to jail for 11 months but the prosecutor said the judge isnt following the rules and need s to sentence him to jail for 5 years,Now that's not fair because a prosecutor told the judge to follow the rules and the man has a clean slate he never did a crime in his life.
ReplyDeleteThis video has a great argument for practical wisdom,but in my opinion it think rules are both beneficial and harmful for you.rules keep us hold and in control and for some its necessary.But if you have a common sense you don't need rules because you know what to do you can make the right choice,but some people can take advantage and that why rules are beneficial and harmful, but I think that rules put a limit to your creativity they don't let you go a little more.they tell you what is expected not what you think is right.
ReplyDeleteRules and regulations limit your practical wisdom like the example of the man who robbed the taxi with a toy gun,the judge in the trial used his wisdom to make it fair for both the suspect and the victim,but the prosecutor appealed and won so the victim was sent to prison for 5 years and after the decision the judge quit.I agree with the quote practical wisdom is happiness,and hers was taken away,therefore he/she was controlled by the rules and regulations and they lost there passion.i am not saying that rules are wrong but,but i also think that rules need to exist so we don't have problems everyday or so.
I think it a great idea to allow people to use practical wisdom,and you should really take it seriously beacuse you can also be in that situation so i agree with Swartz.
I would have to agree with to the part where, we as human need to bend the rules so we can accomplish, be leaders, or creativity. Rules has limits on us. And therefore we can never reach our true potential. So that's we gotta bend it. I'll use a example of a anime, called fairy tail. There's many different clubs in the fairy tail world. Most if not all have rules, to not damage any thing. Be careful. Don't do anything stupid, don't fight anyone randomly. Like the general idea of rules. How ever a club call fairy tail does what ever they want, and with all these freedoms they grow stronger every day, unlike any other clubs you join. How ever there's a price to pay for that. They break the rules, cause damage and do all sorts of stupid stuff. Relating this to bending the rules.
ReplyDeleteIf a person bends the rules once or twice, out of blue or something quick they need that's something that can be understood.
But if Someone that bends the rules constantly and knowingly, so they can do what they want, that is more dangerous than someone that breaks them, because that leads to rules becoming permanently bent. Others learn from that example and begin to do it as well, until the rules become nothing but a joke. and I think bending the rules can be more harmful at times, it's a rippling effect. For an example if there's a building that has a no smoking sign, and you end up smoking. You go to the court the next day, and your argument is that, you were smoking because you had to, or else you could have died. Smoking a drug that helps clam your blood pressure down, or something like that. Even tho you may have your benefits, it will effect the people around you as well. With this said I do agree with him, but not fully to the part where, it's okay to do my all the time for only yourself, or even anybody. Once on a blue moon is okay.(once a while).
1. Fairy Tail is a GUILD. not a club xD
Delete2. The rules that were given should be common sense (obviously, Natsu has none).
I think the master runs Fairy Tail quite similarly to how Mr. Cheney teaches his class. He expects the members and trusts them to do the right things, respectable things.
He doesn't monitor their every move cause he doesn't need to,unlike SaberTooth (if you get there yet) :p
Don't mind my nerdiness :D
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ReplyDeleteAfter Mr.Cheney's rant, I think I should actually get out of the thought of "no rules or rules should be used" and just come back to the video. Barry is basically saying that practical wisdom would "heal" our society. As well as how rules tend to fail us quite frequently. In the 8B class we are aloud to bring our devices as well as use them (although its majority for class purposes). Devices are actually really really beneficial, but why some other teachers do not approve of allowing them to bring the devices is something to wonder about. I mean the kid is probably going to end up bringing his device. Take me in grade 6, our teacher did not allow us to bring, but me personally sometimes brought it and thought of it as a big accomplishment, I am not going to lie. But now I'd feel nearly incomplete with out my device (over exaggerated) -continued later
Rules are beneficial , and I will admit some days you have to break them but most rules are common sense .
ReplyDeleteIn the video I think that the judge should have used her practical wisdom or common sense ( which I think are the same ) The man was sentenced 5 years ! Yes he robed 50 dollars from a man but he also had a toy gun that to the most would have shot plastic dart ! Yes he should have had a consequence but not 5 years worth of one .
We need rules to function ! But you know what else we need ? Common sense . Some rules we should most definitely have while others are just our common sense , for an example in my school in previous grades if we didn't finish our work like French we would not be able to go to the dance . Because of this This rule many kids did there work ! But not for the reason of there learning but the fact that the was a consequence . Now I notice not many students don't there French work because if they don't they aren't given consequences from the teacher then they don't have to do it ! but it is affecting your learning so if you went to the dance or not being 12,13,14 we should have the common sense and know we have to do the work or it will affect our learning , our grades, our future !
Don't get me wrong rules are a great thing ! but common sense and practical wisdom could be used to heal our society . We should have rules for younger kids because they aren't as aware but as you get older you should realize many things and have more common sense ! Rules are beneficial in many, many ways ! But having common sense and practical wisdom are too ! these traits will heal our society if we all had practical wisdom and common sense some days we need to break the rules or bend them for an example when i was in french in order for me to write my thoughts detailed i had to past the maximum 20 sentences.
Rules are amazing but most are common sense and if we all have this common sense we all hold the power to heal society. I agree 100% with this ted talk.
we need to have common sense !
DeleteIn my point of view, I wouldn't say I don't agree with rules, yes they lower down with creativity but I say I don't 100% agree to what he's saying, or the video. It is better to have a set of rules, laws, or orders to make sure problems and violence does not occur to happen as often. Now that my wonderful teacher summed out the main point of this video I see where it connects to some of the random points I thought Barry wasn't connecting to properly. In his argument he protests that having laws wouldn't change anything, that laws wouldn't put a stop or adjust to a scenario. And I don't entirely agree with that. There are reasons why history happens, it's not always because of violence, and financial problems, most of the time basic people just cannot follow basic rules. It's not like it would be a total bother, but that's just how situations happen. It's not like it would change anything but it does put different things set up and straight. For example Mrs.Cater-Meckenzie's rule of "No Chewing Gum or fine .25$" does help because ever since I saw one person do it a while ago, then got in trouble, not only that person but the whole class never chewed gum again. I don't know about you guys, but I say rules does help or are beneficial in situations like these.
ReplyDeleteI know my post may be a bit confusing, but that's much I could understand.
But why Jackie? Why do you think Mrs. Cater - McKenzie placed a rule like this? What does she have against students who chew gum? What benefits does she receive with placing rules like these?
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ReplyDelete"The secret to a successful life is understanding the rules and knowing when to break them" is what he is trying to prove in this video. rules rules rules there everywhere there what keep us in order and in control otherwise we would be out of control but in the educational system there need in physical terms like behavior but not in learning terms. I agree with him rules are the border of the education system but what can we say they are necessary, they need to be bent out at the right point time. I think rules are created for those who don't have common sense other wise they would know exactly the right thing to do, and rules would be irrelevant. i also believe rules are counterproductive, there going to keep you in a narrow ally and wont let you stretch your hands. They tell you what to do, they tell you to do what is expected rather than what you think is right. This relates to the creativity video the rules are the criteria that limit our creativity in every day learning
The rules governing the educational system limit are creativity they say you will only be kept in this range of intelligence which is known as grades but when kids are performing at levels higher than the ones older than them. every typical teacher teaches using a script and they will follow it, without and care of our welfare, the script is a rule book for teaching only taught using those rules. for example a judge they only judge using the laws of the cities and the sentence, of the crime instead of using there own judgment. they have become very reliable on the rules to control them and not letting the children's mind expand. but rules were created to keep the kids mind in control other wise they wont learn the desired skills.
now I am going to relate to the other blog post a bit, we have a rule in our school about no ipods or phones but here we are being the most technological class in the school, with every student with either an i pod or i pad. if your smart enough to actually use the device properly and not for the reason the rules was created it can be very beneficial but can often be misused. "with great power comes great responsibility'' if you break them appropriately you can use it as an opportunity, to succes.
rules if there disobeyed there is punishment but should the students not know that there work that need to be handed in, it is common sense it is like you follow them you get a treat you don't you get punished just like an animal. he also isn't talking about breaking them just bending at the right point like the ruler, measuring something unsymmetrical they bent the ruler. like literally bent it.
Barry Schwartz's focus is practical wisdom. He's talking about doing the right thing by being wise, and links it to rules and regulations. He talks about the difference with following rules and using your own wisdom to bend rules. "Wise people know how to bend the rules for the right reasons." Rules are beneficial in my opinion but to a certain extent. Rules are definitely needed. Without them the world will be a total blur and chaos. Rules are nothing but guidelines and they are used to control people the way others want them to behave or act. Rules aren't all bad. As Rochelle argues, some rules are not needed because it's common sense! The rules such as no running in the school's halls and keeping your hands and feet to yourself are just common sense. So if it's common sense, why do they put them as rules for students to follow? Because if it's broken, then they have something to do to teach you a lesson and help differentiate good things from bad things. That's almost like treating us as animals, thinking that we need to be controlled and tamed by rules to help us be better people. Sometimes, as Barry gave examples, rules aren't the right thing to follow or judge people on. It depends on the story. People don't listen to the story however, they follow whatever the rules/law or rubric says. Just like the example with the robbery in the cab, you can't preform "armed robbery" with a toy! Some people are very fixated with rules and regulations. The judge bent the rules however because in the man's case, the law seemed a total silliness of being sentenced to jail for such a time. CONTINUED ..
ReplyDeleteUse school as an example. Just as Mr. Cheney talked about last years and this years speech competition. They said that Eden's speech couldn't be chosen for the reason that it didn't follow the criteria. In other words, rules. It didn't fit, and it wouldn't look so nice on the school's papers. Again, Rules! The speech was a winning speech, but just because her topic didn't follow the "expected topics" by the teachers, it wasn't chosen. Similar to this year, the judges had a bit of conflict and debate because the winning speech was too long! But as Mr. Cheney says, If the content of something is great, time become insignificant. Rules have gotten in the way and have blinded many people from the truth that rules are just for small minded individuals who don't know how to function without them. Rules such as these aren't the right ones to be followed. Like Barry said, we have to use our practical wisdom. We must be wise when it comes to decisions and rules. The judges could have easily bent the rules and not have gone too strict with them. Even regulations cause chaos and debate. Rules tighten the chances of doing things and limit things to a certain degree. Linking this to the creativity topic, I actually believe that rules are needed to be creative because you need to know what is expected to be able to go beyond. If the class was to be given an assignment and there were no rules or expectations placed, how many people do you actually think will give a completed level 3 or 4 assignment? Close to very few. Yes, I said that rules tighten the chances of doing the things you want, but that is totally different from creativity. There is no rule stating that you have to be creative. Creativity comes from passion and what you like. It's always a good idea to intertwine what you like with things to make it original. Many people can disagree with me but I don't believe school crushes creativity. School gives you a chance and opportunity to do the things you love and enjoy. This further enhances your passion for things and gives you more ideas to show and use. When students bend the rules, the things you do stand out. This is where the people fixated on rules pop in. Teachers or others point fingers saying that we didn't do what was expected therefore we are given a penalty. Some people can't function properly without rules therefore everything must be followed and fix. Coming back to his original statement of using our Practical Wisdom and doing whats right.. Rules are just there to control you therefore it's can have non beneficial parts. But then again, in some cases, they are needed. But the world has to realize not everything is supposed to run on rules. Everything can't be perfect and the way we want them to be. If there is a rule placed, there is a reason for it. People either might have something against it, or they might even place the rule to benefit somehow from it. Therefore rules can be beneficial, but to a certain point because rules get out of hand sometimes.
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