Watch this clever and artistic video on the current state of education. Its main idea is that education is destroying creativity and that children need to learn differently.
1. Retell 3 main or interesting bits of evidence that the video showed
2. Do you agree or disagree
3. How are you able or unable to be creative at school?
Answer all 3 questions
Pick 2 other students to engage in dialogue with and debate the issue of creativity.
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DeleteIf you are higher level of understanding than your age group, the teacher would probably know that you are at a higher level by looking at your work. It is possible that the teacher would test your mental level at learning, and if you qualify he/she could possibly let you skip a grade according to your learning level.
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ReplyDeleteA) The kids in kindergarten got 98% Genius level as we grew older the percentage level decreased.
B)In school we are judged, Sorted by age
C)Today getting a degree won't always get you a job.
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ReplyDelete1) One piece of evidence about our present day education hampering the creativity of kids is being misdiagnosed by the doctors and given dangerous drugs (ADHD). There may not be anything wrong with the child, but their brains are bombarded by these terrible drugs. It's just their creativity which they misunderstand as not interested in education. I found this interesting because in class we have a few students who appear to be uninterested in class work, but maybe I'm not able to see their creativity of mind.
ReplyDelete2) another thin would be that the school education system is modelled based on the interest of the business people like industrialist, factory owners etc. They influence what need to be taught in school so that today's students become their servants. This is shocking because not everybody wants to serve in others businesses. Some kids want to go along with their imagination so they can go as far as possible.
3) another piece I found interesting was the testing of divergent thinking done on kg students and 98% of them were at the genii us level. The se kids 5 years later were again tested and only 50% of them were at the genius level. The same kids were tested 5 years later and only a handful of them were found to be at genius level. This shows that out education not only does not increase of intelligence but on the opposite side it let's our intelligence go bad.
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1. One main point is that kids are being given ADHD drugs that are dangerous because they control the kids so that they could focus in class.
ReplyDeleteAnother point is divergent thinking, in kindergarten, the kids that were 98% geniuses did not not remain the same way when they got older, their divergent thinking dropped and only a few of those same kids remained geniuses.
The third main point is that students are being put into classes with smart people and non-smart people. Also, the school environment is built to make a successful person.
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ReplyDeleteHonestly I agree and disagree at the same time. I agree because yes there are many aspects of school that we can look at and say they don't allow us to be creative. School should be a place where students get to spread their wings and fly. They should be able to do what they want to do, not to be put in the steps of the last generation. We should be able to go into the strands that we want to go into later on in life, not be considered as having a disorder just because we don't take interest in the school subjects they teach. Many of the people who are easily distracted by the arts in class, who knows they might be geniuses. For example let's take Bill Gates. He wasn't the best in school, in fact the didn't really pay attention to much of the work that was given out but now look at him. The owner of Microsoft? That's incredible! " I failed in some subjects in exam, but my friend passed in all. Now he is an engineer in Microsoft, and I'm the owner of Microsoft" -Bill Gates. He jus proved his point. I know this is not the best motivational quote but to loom at it it makes a lot of sense. Let's take another example Albert Einstein. This man was a genius and once again he didn't pay attention to school. "Everybody is a genius, but if you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree, it will life it's whole life believing it's stupid" -Albert Einstein. Now I really admire this quote because it make so much sense and fits perfectly with this situation. It's saying, there is no imprint saying that I order to be smart you have to be good at this this and this, so don't judge people accordingly. Everybody can be a genius in those own ways. In this situation it shows that everybody is smart, but if you judge students by if they can pass math or history ( and they cannot) they will think they are stupid-but they aren't.
ReplyDeleteI would disagree with this video at the same time because in school there are many students who want to carry the culture of the last and become business people or own industries etc. What we are taught at school is about culture and if you you are smart in school you will get a n amazing job. And that is true in many cases (but not in all). In highschool for example we do get opportunities to go into what we want (not is middle school) like if we want to go to a special school which specializes in only art or music or technology. There are schools and eduction which we can receive that allows us to sore high as well. So school doesn't completely destroy our creativity
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DeleteI agree with your example, but if you think about it, being so successful also depends on how hard working and how much initiative those person has, because they will not do something so great if they do not put a tremendous amount of effort. If you look at bill gates he must have had a lot of knowledge because it's not easy or a simple things to make a computer. I think that creativity was an important factor because it helped him come up with this idea but he must have payed some attention at school to have so much knowledge and make a computer which was pretty amazing to the folks for that time period.
Delete@jamin yes I agree with what you have said, bad work can get you anywhere and that is why in my response I said that this is not the most motivational quote. Yes I also agree with how you said creativity is the main factor for bill gates and that is wht I'm saying that just because we aren't the best student in class doesn't mean we can't sore high and build on our creativity.
Deletegreat Einstein quote about the fish and the tree
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ReplyDeleteOne of the three points i found really interesting was the part where the man talked about when some people were starting to allow poor children to go to school and some other people kept telling others and trying to convince them that no one should be wasting time on giving poor kids education because supposedly they weren't smart enough and wouldn't learn easily so theres no point.
Another point i found interesting was about the plague of ADHD which for the man isn't real because our generation has so many distractions such as devices, and technology which causes children to get bored at school and not pay attention. and adults such as doctors and parents give the children poisenous pills to take.
The last most interesting part was how being divergent and creative are totally different. being creative is the process of having original ideas that have value whereas being divergent, its when certain people find different answers to one question, different solutions to one problem etc. then near the end of the video, he talked about being in groups is a great way of learning.
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this video talks about many parts so i don’t agree with the whole video For the part about some people agreeing with poor children into schools (having public schools) and some not being into the idea, i completely disagree because yes those kids are poor but that doesn’t mean that they will take longer to learn and they are a waste of time. but there could even be wealthy kids that could take long to learn. and all children should have the right to free education. why? because if you don’t want poor people and you want to save world hunger how about giving them a good education so they can actually have a good career.
For the ADHD i do agree. because the man talks about our generation being the hardest one because of technology and many other different things that are so much fun and when we are at school everything else is boring, i disagree on how the doctors and parents give the children those pills. because yes they are poisoning their children but they are doing what they think is the best for them even though it can be bad, the children supposedly have ADHD so in order for their kids to pay attention and calm down is for them to get those pills, its not their fault.
And for the last part, i agree because being creative and divergent really are two different things. and also i don’t know about group working is really good for learning because it all depends on your group mates, and the project. but still i am not so sure about that.
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i think nowadays we are unable be creative because for example if i need to answer a question and i use my iPod to search something up, it will give me ideas but they will be very very similar to the ones on the website, and those will be stuck in my head and i will use them which isn’t being creative. another thing is that since we have so many people living in this generation, that there have been so many ideas made and its hard to be creative nowadays and have other ideas. we are also unable to be creative because sometimes it also depends on the questions we get. if they are too general or vague its a but harder to be creative than if the question was specific. and it also depends on if you understand the question properly. and not always we understand the question so that can be a reason why we are not able to be creative
1. One of the main reasons that was shown in the video was the way our world is reforming caused by economical and cultural changes. We are reforming but the thinking of the past, we are trying to advance to the future. Back then, it was guaranteed to get a job after being able to get into college and receiving a degree, but in the present it is not a guarantee anymore and all the work you've done feels like it has gone into waste. The second main point was that the current education system isn't designed for the right age and time and was previously used for the older generations. The third main point was the high ratio of people with ADHD and the kinds of drugs we are using for them to focus and learn in class which we are unaware of but is causing their brains to go anesthetic. Anesthetic brains cause the students' brain to be unaware and lose all senses and is not healthy at all therefore we should wake up and encourage their brains and help them mentally than killing their brains slowly and gradually.
ReplyDelete2. In my opinion, I strongly agree with the video and its main points because people are following rules and living according to the past, where as I think that if everything else has developed in this world, why not also improve our education system. When young children enter school, they are not enforced with rules and restrictions on how to do work, which lets them fully express their creativity and thinking which allows them to have 98% genius levels. However, as a child grows they are given rules on how to do work and then they're thinking ability doesn't go outside the box which causes less creativity and genius levels to drop. When creativity levels stop, genius levels drop. I also think that since in every class there are some students go have very high thinking/creativity level where as others who don't, but we need to balance it out and have every student reach to a certain goal where creativity is brought out of them. I think we should reduce the rules and instructions and let students express themselves properly and give their view and opinion on everything. Also I agree that we are underestimating children and not letting them participate properly like others, where as I think each and every person has potential and teachers and parents should bring that out of them rather than discouraging because you never know, you might be there discouraging the next Einstein!
3. I think through extra curricular and academics, we are some what bringing out our inner creativity. However, we should put more effort in being more creative and forcing ourselves to think outside the box. I think our school encourages us a lot towards group work which in my opinion is a great way to help ourselves engage and bring out proper effort towards accomplishing a task.
how can you be creative in the class?
DeleteHow are we able to be creative? In school we are given the opportunity to open our imagination and write stories, draw in art class, perform etc. we get to go outside and explore the nature and much more but the problem is we don't get to do this all the time. There are ones when we do get to draw and go out and explore and etc. but that's not all the time, we are usually told what to do.
ReplyDeleteHow are we unable to be creative? Well, if we are at school, the only reason why us students get distracted is because we need more time to be creative. School should be a place where get to open our imagination more, not to be given medication because we don't concentrate and for that reason to be considered dumb. To be creative means to bring out a new generation of new ideas. We are able to be creative, but not in out own ways.
I get what you are trying to say but in art, language, we are also limited are we not. For example in art we are forced to do our art in a certain way. In language we are limited by the questions or standards. Are we not?
DeleteYes I agree with what you are saying but we are given an assignment and we aren't stopped from explaining as far as we can are we? We aren't stopped from writing all our thoughts, infact teachers tell us that the more ideas and thought you put into your response, the more creative and the better the answer. And for art, we are given a project but we aren't limited that we have to draw a certain thing or take a picture of a specific object. At times we are which I can totally agree with you, but there is no limit given. We aren't stopped from going as far as we want are we?
DeleteWe'll you are correct but if you look at it carefully it does seem like we are limited. For example art we were doing cubism we were not limited to what we had to choose nor the colours. But we were limited to our type of painting and how we had done it we needed to use the grid method and it has to be "cubed".
Delete1- a) An interesting point in this video is that we all have the capacity to become geniuses. At a very young age 98% of 1500 children are geniuses they are divergent thinkers ( an essential capacity for creativity, being able to interpret and solve problems in multiple ways ) . But as they get older and remain in the educational system their divergent thinking drops they are no longer geniuses and more and people are get loosing their genius factor, and the educational system is to blame as this genius factor deteriorates due to school. Meaning the education system not only enhances knowledge but also reverses it as well. (especially creativity)
ReplyDeleteb) Many kids have ADHD meaning the parts in the brain that control attention, concentration, and memory are effected. So we give them harmful drugs that force them to focus. In short we are anesthetizing these kids in order to learn. Most of the time these drugs close down their creativity factor as these drugs force them to learn things in a way their body and mind is not comfortable with. Also since we are living in a world depended on technology and entertainment these kids get even more easily distracted forcing them to take more of these pills further ruining their condition.
c) Everyone country on earth is being heavily influenced on public education for two reasons. The first reason is economically. There will be a time where children ( us ) need to take our elders place in the economy. So for that very reason we must be educated to learn those skills needed in the future. The second reason we are educated is cultural based. We must have some cultural identity to pass these traditions/customs throughout the community.
2. I don't agree with this video, as this very education system is what builds our future. We get to choose what we want to be when we get older. In fact this very education system is what largely determines your position in the economy as well as what exactly will you be doing and earning. Like the video said this system is what keeps the economy in place as well as gives us cultural identity. We get to be diverse and this is all with the help of this education system, there are after school clubs and much more programs that are in fields in which different types of people are interested in. So this system doesn't completely destroy our creativity. But then again I also agree with video as it shares some valid points. One of these points would be how the kids with ADHD are treated, they are constantly given these medicines in order to focus. At times these very medicines are harmful and result to them to learning in a way they are not used to. Also due to these countless rules in the education systems we are not able to truly express our selves. By that I mean we are not able to do work or learn the way we want to. People are different but the education system only caters to 1 which is making learning a pain for some of these kids. ( There are after school clubs but that are different, but the school it's self is not the same. ) By doing this we are in short discouraging kids and blurring there true potentials. I mean if students don't feel like learning how are they going to want to learn? How are they going to be part of the economy and community?
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ReplyDelete1. one fact that surprised me is us kids are living in the most stimulating period of the earth. i honestly thought we were the lucky ones but it turns out their giving us "pills" to help us concentrate on learning. and now are trying to take away our devices and make us focus on honestly boring subjects. not only that little fact was surprising but now a degree is not a grantee. now this is really concerning because even if i try that does not mean i will get the job. also that means people who fool around and don't get their degrees can get the job instead of me (which is a lot of bs).not only this but our education system was made for a different time. our education system was made for the enlightenment and the industrial revaluation which i find weird. we live in a new era of technology filled environments but at school they take all of this away.
ReplyDelete2. yes i totally agree with this video at first i thought school was always going to be well... school. but now that i have seen this video i realized that our schools are practically based off of factory work. for example the separate from subject to age (grade). and not only that but they are forcing us to follow their was they are practically trying to brain wash us. they want to destroy our future, they have stole our creativity, they took our music our love for technology and the arts. and they say this is for a better future god not all jobs are organized office jobs. there are painters, singers, actors, and all of them fall behind the arts. that man in the video has my 100% support.
3. well fist of all they cut down on all of our fun creative subjects for example we have drama and music once every ten day cycle. we practically do not have these subjects any more. and these are the main subjects that bring out our creativity. not only those too but i see no art on our schedule they have taken our art! (unless mr.cheney never put it on and will switch one of the subjects). but even with this severe decrease we still get to bring our inner creativity out with assignments. like science we get to bake also in home room we get to design and create amazing videos. which is not so bad now that i think about it also they have clubs that have to do with the arts. so basically school gives us a chance to let our inner creativity out bot also steals some opportunity's.
Do you think it's right to switch subjects like math, science, language for fun subjects like arts, music, drama?
DeleteWell it depends on what your good at Fiza. Not all jobs are based around office jobs, there are singers, actors, artists. And for the record most of these creative jobs get bigger pays look at Justine and his sweet rented car.
DeleteI disagree , do you think that if we ignored all the boring subjects which most students consider math, science and language, do you think that that our economy will run. Don't you think that there will be many people who do not have knowledge. In order to be a doctor you have to have knowledge and to have knowledge you must study these boring subjects so a patient can rely on you for handling their life. In order to become a scientist you must know how things work and you need knowledge for that too. We can't just forget about those things as those boring subjects lead to jobs which are very necessary. You also mentioned that even if you try to study these subjects you may not be able to get a job. Well this all depends on how you study. If you a lazy and don't work greatly of course you won't get a job. You can't just study for the sake of it and expect to get a job
Delete@devesh do you think that these jobs which involve singing dancing and such is creativity or is it just a talent? Because in my opinion if you are a great artist at whatever it's because you made the effort and you have the talent and the passion. I disagree on the fact that you said that it was creative.
DeleteI see, but the chance of becoming a singer, actor, etc is like one in a million where as there are MANY more chances to become a doctor, scientist, engineer and have a proper source of living. As you can see there are many struggling actors, musicians, singers but not struggling doctors, engineers? I think if you were to study those important subjects and be able to have a proper living, then you can do things such as music, drama for your own sake of pleasure. Overall music and drama are subjects you can show creativity in but it's not everyone's cup of tea and not everyone has the talent to make a living on it?
DeleteYes I agree with you we do need these jobs but these jobs are also somewhat based off of creativity. For example in science you need to be creative to think of solutions you need to be innovator you can't just go off of logic. And for your second question I agree with both me and you just like I said before you need to have creativity in you it can be a talent your natural instinct. But if you don't have creativity how are you going to come up with amazing paintings, creative ideas.
Delete@devesh I'm not saying that these jobs have no creativity I'm just saying that creativity is not the only factor which you need to have a good job. All jobs need knowledge, even if you are a singer you need to know the musical notes meaning you may have to a bit of fractions which is math, if you are an artist you may need math again if you are involving shapes, angles, lines and such.
DeleteDevesh, if we are able to show creativity through math and science, why do us students call it boring and unnecessary? Does this mean we shouldn't be relying on subjects like music and drama to show creativity?
DeleteDevesh it was also stated in the video that we don't know what we will become in the future, and like Mr Cheney said, we might become something that our generation hasn't even heard of yet. I believe we should have a balance of all subjects. We don't know later in the future what we want to go into but as middle schoolers of we are given all the ways of learning and all the different subjects we can take, we can find our passion and go I to that later on. If we are only given math science and history we won't even have the opportunity to explore weither we want go for a singing career. But if we are given only drama and art we won't have the knowledge to think if we want to become a scientist or a doctor. So therefore I would say that all subjects should be balanced to give students an idea of what they have a passion for.
DeleteWe'll you see fiza just because singers are not on the top 50 doesn't mean that they are necessarily struggling. For example I am sure you never heard of the gorillaz, the strokes, and the arctic monkeys but they are doing just as well as the singers in top 50. Also if every one goes into the subject their won't be a use off their talent lets say there is an over flow of doctors. And their are are more doctors on the way most of these people would be unemployed. Not only that but where is the entertainment if their is non of that I swear we would all be poisoned with ADHD.
DeleteNow the problem is there won't ever really be an overflow of doctors, pretty much because it's hard to become one however not impossible. Where as again, to become a singer or actor it is a REALLY low chance, in fact after becoming a singer not necessarily you're getting the fame? Therefore, why not keep singing and acting a passion unless you're 100% sure you have the talent?
Deletegreat chatter... does creativity need to be scheduled and limited to subjects? hmmmm
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ReplyDelete1) So this video gives alot of information and they where all very true and very accurate and they all had a very big Impact on on what I was thinking. So hear are my top three. 1# You are better off having a degree than not but its not a guarantee anymore. 2# The education system was built for a different age\timeline. #3 The education system is based off a factory\industrial system.
ReplyDelete2) I agree with this video 100% because it shows us what's between the lines and what we haven't been able to see for our selves. This video got me thinking and its right we aren't able to be creative each grade we go up we lose more and more of our ability to be creative we are forced to give only one answer and we can't think "outside the box". The video says that they gave a genius test to kindergarten kids and 98% of those kids scored 100% and when they tested those same kids again years later they scored much lower this is because the older we get the less and less we are aloud to actually think. Ya we have to think when we answer a question for example( how much do 300 paper clips weighs if each paper clip weighs 1.2 ounce's) and we would have to go by and actually paper clip size. We couldn't say "well what if it was 400ft tall" we can't say that cause we are force to think on our own we have to follow one way of thinking there is no divergent thinking.
3) Beaumont is the perfect example for me to say that we are allowed to be creative because we aren't forced to follow a preset plane for assembly's or special events. The terry fox assembly allowed us to do creative and funky things for the announcement's and play. We aren't forced to do the same thing over and over again. On the other hand we aren't able to be creative when it comes to our every day work we can't give multiple answers to something like a math question or a language question.
The school has also cut down most of the subject that we must use creative thinking like music and drama we only have those once every ten day cycle so we do have chance to be creative just not as much.
@marshall there are many points which I disagree upon. Do you agree on everything that the video talked about? For sure there were many points which I completely disagreed upon. For example I think that we still need a lot of that old school education because if we didn't study the main things which people have been studying for years we wouldn't be that smart and our economy will break down. If you wanted to be a docter could you treat a patient without knowing biology, math and other important subjects? What would happen to the patient if you only focused on creativity. That's why we still need to be taught old school way and learn the important subjects properly so we take the places of the jobs of the future. I'm not saying creativity is not needed, it is need to make all your work mesmerizing and great! Although in order to be creative you have to be trained to work hard so you actually think of great ideas.
DeleteSo you are saying we are more creative in mr Cheney's class because of how we get the opportunity to organize assemblies etc but what about Beaumonde in general? What about the other classes at beaumonde? Do they get the same opportunity to be creative?
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ReplyDeleteOne interesting piece of evidence that the videos showed was that some students who their parents think are not smart are forced to be given AHD drugs just because the parents think they are not smart. Many students could actually have a very creative brain and just don't enjoy the way they are learning but parents decide to forget about that and just want them to know everything and thus they are given dangerous drugs called AHD by the doctors so the students can focus more in class.
Also if you watched carefully you would realize that they talked about how people are sorted into groups based on their ages and this is completely wrong because what if there's a student who is over their age standard then they would have to waste a year or so doing the same things which they already know. Also what if there was a student under their age level they would have to start studying for harder stuff even if they are not ready for it which can cause many problems in all the years after.
Another interesting piece of evidence which I had realized was that when students were young 1500 of them were tested and out of 1500 98% of the students scored very well on their creativity but when they tested the same students at an older age a few years later when they were grown up, they scored worse because they became less creative as grew up.
I do not agree with this video because us kids are the future and Creativity is not the only thing which will keep the economies running. Many other factors are needed, for example you have to have knowledge for jobs for example if you are a doctor can you just be creative while you are treating a patient, you have to have other factors such as knowledge, memory and you have to be hard working. There's many jobs which require these factors and you can just run an economy with creativity. Whatever job you have you should have some creativity but you can't just get creative ideas if you are not hard working and don't show the initiative to work hard and actually THINK. In order to even get those creative ideas you have to have the initiative to work hard and think otherwise where are are the ideas going to come from. Creativity means to produce new and good ideas that not everybody thinks of but you can't just have ideas in order to be really creative you must ACT on those ideas. I am not saying that there should be only studying at school, there should be creativity but in order to have creative ideas you have to have knowledge and you must be trained to take initiative which are schools do teach.
You are able to be creative at school in many ways such as B.A.C where you are supposed to give in your ideas and thoughts to help improve your school and make students more happy. If you are in Mr Cheney's class you are able to give ideas to help make the school assemblies and such better so the shook had good memories and everyone student in the school enjoys them. You can also be creative in class when you are asked to do work, you can make your own work better by being creative and make your work outstanding and something that people will try to learn from. If you have initiative you will realize that there is many ways to be creative in this school if you are stumped think again!
Jamin you are saying that creativity isn't that necessary for all jobs in the future. I strongly disagree with what u have stated. For example you said that if it want to become a doctors you need more knowledge, true that is very true but don't you think creativity is also very important? For example being a doctor doesn't only mean to cure people with all the knowledge you were provided with at school or university etc. to go further in life and become more advanced you would need to come up with a new cure for a disease or different ways to help patients heel faster etc. I believe you do need a lot of knowledge but I would say for all this creativity is a very point.
DeleteWhen I read your "ways you can be creative at beaumonde", it changed my point of view because at first I was arguing about how we aren't that creative at beaumonde. But my answer was very vague and now I would say that Beaumonde is a very creative place to be at. We get to join teams at school, CO-ED, basket-ball team, volley-ball team, B.A.C, organizing assemblies, etc. you changed my point in thinking so I think for #3 if come to answer saying that we can be creative at beaumonde in many different ways.
Deleteis playing sports being creative
Delete@reshmi my mistake creativity is needed, but we need knowledge as well, for example if you are a creating a cure for a new disease you have to have to know how the disease works and you have to know things like the type of cells and such.
Delete@mrcheney playing sports can be creative if you decide to go over the top and create new tricks or new strategies in order to get even better at the sport.
DeleteI wouldn't say that it's the best way to be creative but it does involve creativity. Playing sports is a skill you need. We are hard wired and we should push our limits and one up with our own creative skills to win the game or to play the sport properly. We can discover new sports or create different ways to play using our bodies.
DeleteThere are different careers where knowledge is more important than creativity and vies versa. So it's up to you wether you want to utilize more creativity or more knowledge. Think about that...
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ReplyDeleteRegarding "critical" and "divergent" thinking: Some of the whiners complain that they required to regurgitate facts, rather than think "critically" or "divergently". Actually, you are getting schooled in critical thinking via math, science and language, typically English if in the USA and in many other parts of the world. Critical thinking is not easy, nor is it fun. You whiners don't really want to learn to think "critically" because you don't want to do anything difficult. "Critical" thinking can be defined more or less, as it is in propositional logic - but that's a really tedious subject that few really want to pursue. On the other hand "divergent" thinking can't be defined, except I suppose, if it is defined as any line of reasoning that goes against the rules of "critical" thinking. However it is then defined as nonsense. There's a good example of "divergent" thinking in a Monty Python movie - I forget which one - "Meaning of LIfe" maybe. Anyway, a woman is proved to be a witch, and sentenced to be burned at the stake, because, as she floated in water, and as wood floats in water, and as wood burns, then she must be a witch and be burned! Now that's "divergent" thinking!
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ReplyDelete1) divergent thinking is when you see multiple answers not just one.
ReplyDeleteKids that were 5 years old had been tested on divergent thinking, the same kids got tested again after a 5 year gap 2 more times. There divergent thinking percentage got lower as the grew up, because they had been educated and taught that there is only one answer.
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ReplyDelete-In school we are put into classes according to our ages where we are told to compete with each other even though some of us have a higher level of understanding
-Divergent thinking isn't the same thing as Creativity but is an essential capacity for creativity.
-Kids in kindergarten students got 98% for divergent thinking but as they grew older the percentage decreased.
2) kids have been given drugs that keep there focus on school and studies. Also the the drugs are used to keep children getting distracted by from TV, video games, iPod and anything else entertaining.
ReplyDelete1. That kids age 5 were tested for the divergent thinking and 98%of them were on genius level and after five years they same kids got tested again and they got 50% of genius level thinking and after five again they were tested and a lot of the kids weren't even in that category.
ReplyDelete2. The use of the drugs (ADHD) to make them focus more but it's the going to slow down their creative thinking and one day their brains are going to shut down.
3. It's not guaranteed more that I get can get a job even if I have a collage degree, I might not even need it because hug school students these days can be designers.
regarding critical and divergent thinking . some of the whinners complain that they required to regurgaite facts , rather than think criticly or divergently actuatly you are getting school in critical thinking via math science and language , typically english other parts of the world critical thinking is not easy nor fun. you whiners dont want to learn or to think critically because you dont want to learn or too think cause you whinners dont want to think to learn or think critically because you dont want anything difficult
ReplyDeleteQ.2) I both agree and disagree with this video. I agree because as the video showed about divergent thinking, children are losing their ability of being geniuses as they grow up and that is because we aren't being able to be creative in school. We are being stuck in classes that get us bored, classes that we don't even like and because of that, we don't get to show our creative side. We spend more then an hour on math more then any other subject in the cycle taking up the work that we did, yes it tells us where we went wrong on our work but where do we show our creativity? we just sit there and check our work. As for the ADHD parents are giving their children, I agree, they shouldn't be giving that to them. They may be worried that their child isn't paying attention, but more important is their health, they are dangerous to their health. also I disagree because if you study a lot and you have that knowledge for a certain job, you could get into it and be what you want.
ReplyDelete1) The video was really interesting and had a lot of information really had me engaged but the 3 most important parts that I would say were #1 the study that they did on divergent thinking it really had me thinking on that in kindergarden the student scored 98percent so I guess the point that they are explaining to us is that we thought that there were many ways to solve the problem and their could be many answer but as we got older we were told and taught that there's only one way to find the answer and the answer will be correct so it was surprising on how we or they had more divergent thinking as a child. #2 the other fact that caught my eye was that children were given ADHD drug which was proven to be dangerous just to get the child's focus in class but why do that when your sending your child to school for their life ahead but by given this drug to them your destroying their life.#3 the last fact would have to be on the fact a lot of people that are genius and are great at divergent thinking but aren't considered to be genius because they and their ideas are judged by others
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ReplyDelete#1 interesting point is that student are given drugs because they aren't consider smart. These drug are making dead to the world. Parents should be walking there children up instead of putting them to sleep. Another interesting point is that 1500 kindergartener were tested for divergent thinking, if you got beyond a certain level you were a genius. 98% of those kindergarteners got beyond that certain level. They also got tested five years later and five years after that. The number of geniuses were deteriorating. When they were ten, 32 percent and when they were 15, only 10 percent passed the test. When 200,000 adults were given the same test, only two percent tested at the genius level. The number of people who passed was deteriorating because they got educated. Another interesting point is that school is based of a factory. There is ringing bells, lunch, separate subject and separate faculty.
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ReplyDeleteThis video was a very inspirational video but not all the facts were true because some fact like for example team work gets things done it is a true fact but the thing is that when you in a class team barely gets work done for example you are in a group but ur with ur friends u will basically fool around for that whole period or time given but u won't be able to produce the amount of work needed from ur teacher it's is only some times when you actually get work done and some of his videos point were actually good like the schools still teach in the same way because he got eve dens that in America they actually give drugs for kids to learn from my point view drugs is just drugs once it wares off u forget every thing in most cases so your teaching the kid absuloly nothing instead your actually just increasing chances of death for little kids like that because we all that in most cases people that die every year are usually cause drugs and other things and if you feed the kid drugs know 100percent sure that ,that kid will do drugs when he or she is grown up so my point is that this video was good and Ido find my self being creative At points at school because mostly being creative depends on the task given so yeah so I agree in some parts of the video but other parts I disagree with that video we just had watch so that was my answer to all the questions given for the response on that video we just watch on schools and stuff so this is my answer to all three /3of the questions
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ReplyDeleteI agree and disagree at the same
ReplyDeleteTime. I agree because school shouldn't be a place where students feel trapped they shouldn't feel like they are in a locked cage they should let their creativity flow without being in fear form what people are going to think. Everyone one has a creative mind but you just need to know how to use and usually it's just shuts down. Maybe when you are in math and you see the numbers on the board and you think of them as something else like the it's the numbers are part of the outer space
it sounds weird and you will tell your self that "Oh my brain is thinking bad right now" when in reality it's not it's your creativity, it's your innovative thinking and you should be the one to bring it out and show it to others.
I disagree that school doesn't give us chance to think creative or something and that's not true. School gives you chances to Think creatively but often times we just get bored and distracted and we don't take that chance. I also disagree with that students should be put into groups to make them productive, I love to work in groups but a lot of times only 2 out of 4 do the all the work and the rest just fool around.
1) 98% Kids the kindergarten got genius level or higher 5 years later they got re-tested and their scores got lower every time they re-took the test.
ReplyDelete(This was most interesting to me because I've always thought as we grew older we had to get smarter we had to think better then we do now so this made me realize that its true, If we ask a 8th grader to think of a creature that doesn't exist they would most likely think of a mythical creature as in we all know what it is, If we asked a kindergartner the same question they would make up there own something 10 times more creative, There brains haven't been "programed" yet its like a blank peice of paper as we grow older our paper is "written" on so we follow and understand what was written a kindergartener's "paper" is still clear they still have the world to imagine)
Most People that are academically genius don't think they are.
ADHD increases in the east in the United states
2) I agree with most of the things they talked about in the video, ....To be continued
3) I think we are able to be creative in school, Uniforms, We have uniforms Its what individualizes each of us It knocks down that wall of the social system we no longer can be judged by how we look but Our personalities.
in my opinion, three main or important points or parts in this video is (1) how they treat kids with ADHD, as Ken had stated in the video, The way they handle kids is that they give them anesthetics which put them to sleep, you do not need them to go to "sleep", they do not have a lot of focus anyhow, why would you make them lose any more focus by making them "sleep" you should make them wake up so they focus more ( so really, i am in agreement with what h is saying). This point is first and foremost important in my opinion. Next (2) is how the education system works, Ken states that " how can we prepare the children for the economy 20 years from now if we do not know what the economy will look one week from now?" i am also in agreement with Ken with this statement because I find that most illogical that the system ( school) is trying to prepare us kids for the near future when the weather man can't even properly do the three day forecast. So they just result in the old methods of teaching, those in which i have no idea work. Last but not least (3) is that we work better in groups, I personally, do not agree with this statement at all, in school, we believe group work would be more productive because of all the different people and different ideas and opinion on the matter but really what it is is that one person does the work while everyone else does nothing. But really in real jobs, Blue or White collar worker, you have to cooperate, in a factory to get all the shipments done, in a office to get all the assignments done and whatever.
ReplyDeleteas I have explained somewhat in my retail, i agree with my first and second point but not so much my third, sure it is true when it comes to the work world but we are talking about groups, and generally, they don't turn out to be as great as you want it unless you have person to drive and drill the group to do it. that is the one that i do not agree with, but now the ones i do agree with, you want ADHD kids to pay more attention not less, it is most illogical to make them sleep. and then the school should prepare us for the future not past, we are not traveling back in time.
The amount of creativity in school is not limited nor is inaccessible, it is simply just not available at most times, in math, language, science,it is hard to be creative in a time when you are supposed to be logically thinking, so that is why in my spare time i draw. But really,only in art we get to creative because there is not a Mr. cheney at every school. In my opinion, the school should let the students be more creative since it lets us get our minds stimulated more and think more divergent as said in the video (the divergent part not the school part). creativity is not scheduled, it in you, it is just how creative you are, it is not limited to some subjects (most commonly art/drama) but also English, such as story writing.
1) so this video gives alot of facts and information but I only found some of those points to interest me the most. #1 You are better off having a degree than not but its no longer a guaranty. #2 The education system is built off the factory system. #3
ReplyDelete2) I do agree with this video 100% and it is showing us what's really there and what's between the lines. We aren't able to be creative anymore (don't use or class\school as an argument we are able to creative in alot of ways) we are being forced to all think one way. They want to mold us in to a person who will help society and benefit it but like he said "we won't know what society or the economic system will look like next week". When he brings up the point about divergent thinking and how kindergarten kids scored a 98% and when they tested the same kids 5 years later they scored much lower and that's cause the older and higher grade we go into the more and more we are told and forced to think one way and answer one way we can't use divergent thinking. Ya we can be creative in math and La but not very much.
3) We do get to be creative in school especially at Beaumont like the terry fox assembly's and walks we get to do our own special things for this assembly and even in LA with me Cheney we are use photography and language together for a project like work and we are blogging right now. Most school don't do stuff like this they do only paper work and they don't get to do anything special for there assembly's they have to do it the same way over and over again. Ya our creativity class got cut down but we still have them and we do get our fair share of creativity in this class.
3) At Beaumonde we receive many opportunities to be creative, that factor of opportunity is in almost every subject. We get to write stories to creating our own commercials. There is always a chance here and there. When doing assignments there isn't much restrictions of what we can do, we get to approach the task in our own ways. The creative factor is up to us to come up with. We need to take advantage of the opportunity given and not pull the blinds. Like Jamin said "if you have the initiative you will find many ways" There are also many school events and clubs that unleash our creativity such as assemblies and BAC. So school lets us to be creative and gives us opportunities, and it is our responsibility to realize that window of opportunity and to not waste it by following a schedule or making an excuse.
ReplyDelete@Rayan, this is very true, just because it is language does not mean you ca not be creative, it just means it is time for Language. Anyone can be creative, you just have to find out how
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